tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20704380.post4344380554606430136..comments2024-03-22T17:35:52.045-04:00Comments on Extra Thoughts: The end of chastityLydia McGrewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00423567323116960820noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20704380.post-53308921795900777882011-01-23T14:00:08.981-05:002011-01-23T14:00:08.981-05:00Tony, good point. And I like the "hate speech...Tony, good point. And I like the "hate speech" point.<br /><br />Liberals are very good at understanding "harm" to include immaterial harm in the form of a societal atmosphere when they are trying to rid the world of "sexism" and "homophobia." But when we try to talk about social atmosphere, suddenly they turn into literal-minded libertarians who can't see any harm that isn't physical.Lydia McGrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00423567323116960820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20704380.post-78928709463298502462011-01-23T13:42:50.656-05:002011-01-23T13:42:50.656-05:00Lydia, this "how can this hurt you" so-c...Lydia, this "how can this hurt you" so-called question (it is not ever meant as a question but as an argument stopper anyway) springs out of a false view of what society is, and what it means for society to proscribe something publicly. This false view typically rests on a libertarian idea of society, one that presumes (without argument, of course) that "what hurts you" can only be stated in terms of harming your body, or harming the property that you have legitimate title to. Given that meaning, of course, it is almost impossible to answer the question in a worthwhile manner. <br /><br />So our strategy, then, must be to re-set the terms of the discussion by not allowing this presumed paradigm to be accepted, and instead respond with something that either insists on a more real paradigm, or at least ratchets up the state of the question by casting doubt on the paradigm itself. Perhaps a pithy response of "and how does my stating publicly that 'you are not married and appear to be on your way to hell' harm you? More generally, how does "hate speech' harm anyone? Calling gays "married" amounts to hate speech in my religion.Tonynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20704380.post-7745515388815515882011-01-19T04:15:02.287-05:002011-01-19T04:15:02.287-05:00Yes, Lydia, I think children as "a magnifying...Yes, Lydia, I think children as "a magnifying lens" is the right way to put it.Mike Gantthttp://blogforthelordjesuscurrentevents.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20704380.post-149460068734842472011-01-18T20:53:07.519-05:002011-01-18T20:53:07.519-05:00To clarify, I meant "brought up children"...To clarify, I meant "brought up children" in the post.Lydia McGrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00423567323116960820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20704380.post-24522849878377000762011-01-18T20:52:49.686-05:002011-01-18T20:52:49.686-05:00Since I brought up children myself, Mike, I'm ...Since I brought up children myself, Mike, I'm certainly not going to disagree with you. I would add, though, that children act as a sort of magnifying lens. We sometimes see the evil of something more clearly in relation to children even though the evil was already there in relation to all of us. _I_ don't want to see two men kissing, but as I already know about homosexuality, it is _worse_ for my innocent children to see it. And so forth. Adults will be harmed by the destruction of chastity as, of course, they already have been. Children will be harmed by it both in their childhood and after they grow up, because of the way they will have grown up.Lydia McGrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00423567323116960820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20704380.post-84277613029007591432011-01-18T19:36:18.941-05:002011-01-18T19:36:18.941-05:00The question with which you begin your post has in...The question with which you begin your post has indeed proven powerful in our society. People seem incapable resisting it, much less refuting it. Yet, the shortest, simplest answer to it is the most appropriate...and it's only one word: Children!<br /><br />That is, a society that sanctions homosexual marriage teaches society's children that this path of life is as desirable and acceptable as any other - which is, of course, a lie. And all adults - even the homosexuals know it's a lie - BUT THE CHILDREN DON'T. And that's why the sanctioning of homosexual marriage is such a pernicious evil. It deceives children. <br /><br />Promiscuous sex (of which homosexuality is only one of the more blatant examples) is by no means the only evil we have in America today. It is perhaps not even half the evil we have today. But it is emblematic of our descent into immorality. Unless its tide is turned, God's wrath on our nation will make our children's and grandchildren's lives miserable...and we will have to bear the blame and shame of having made it so.Mike Gantthttp://blogforthelordjesuscurrentevents.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com